Jesus’ Two Glories

Some claim that John 1 and Colossians 1 defines Jesus as both fully God (as in Almighty God) and also as fully man. It is further claimed that the true definition of “Jesus” is “the Son of God in the flesh.” It is then assumed, based on this definition, that if Jesus is still alive, then he must also still be “in the flesh.” However, when we examine these scriptures, we find that there is nothing either in John 1 or Colossians 1 that justifies the conclusion that Jesus ever was, is now, or ever will be, the only true God (the Supreme Being, the only Most High). Nor do we see anything that gives us a definition that Jesus is now the “Son of God in the flesh.”

The Bible reveals that Jesus has had two different general forms of glory, but he did not have both at the same time. Before Jesus became a man, he spoke of a glory that he had with the only true God before the world (the world that was made through him; the world that he came into, the world that did not recognize him — John 17:1,3,5) was made. (John 1:3,10) Jesus prayed that he again have the glory that had with the only true God, so while he was in the days of his flesh, Jesus did not have that glory. If he did have that glory while in the days of his flesh, then why would he ask the only true God (John 17:1,3) to give that glory to him again? — John 17:5.

Paul spoke of the two general kinds of glory, when he was answering the question about the kind of body with which the dead are raised. He said: “There are also celestial [in the heavens] bodies, and terrestrial [in the earth] bodies; but the glory of the celestial differs from that of the terrestrial.” — 1 Corinthians 15:40.

Jesus, before he became a man, Jesus had the celestial glory, but he did not have the terrestrial glory. Thus John writes: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God [Ton Theon], and the Word was God [Theos, in this usage, more properly should be rendered “mighty,” in the sense of mightiness, not as “God” whom the Word was with]. The same was in the beginning with God [Ton Theon].”  (John 1:1,2) John was definitely not telling us that Jesus was “God” whom Jesus was with, but John is telling us of a special mightiness that Jesus had with the only true God before the world of mankind was made. — John 1:10; 17:3,5.

The title “Word,” designates Jesus as the Word of God, as shown in Revelation 19:13. John, in using the word “THEOS” of Jesus, was not making the claim that Jesus “was” the only true God whom Jesus was said he was with. (John 17:1,3,5) Many scholars say that THEOS here is speaking qualitatively. Forms of THEOS in the New Testament correspond with forms of the Hebrew word EL in the Old Testament. In the Old Testament, when forms of the Hebrew word EL were used “qualitatively,” they could be used of other persons and things than Yahweh in the sense of might, power, strength.

We will begin by showing this usage with John 10:34,35, where Jesus quotes and refers to  Psalms 82:1,6, where the Psalmist uses both forms of the Hebrew word EL and ELOHIM, and thus these words are applied the sons of the Most High, the sons to whom the Logos came (as Jesus explained). In John 10:34,35, the word ELOHIM is rendered as THEOI, the plural of THEOS. According the King James Version, God [ELOHIM] standeth in the congregation of the mighty [EL]. (Psalm 82:1) In reference to the sons of the Most High, the KJV renders the term EL as “the mighty.” Applying this scriptural principle to THEOS in John 1:1, we would likewise have “the Logos was mighty.”

Additionally, this is not the only place that the KJV renders forms of the words EL (Strong’s Hebrew #410)  and ELOHIM (Strong’s Hebrew #430) with terms showing mightiness or strength. Here are a few scriptures: Genesis 23:6 (mighty); Genesis 30:8 (mighty); Genesis 31:29 (power); Deuteronomy 28:32 (might); 1 Samuel 14:15 (great); Nehemiah 5:5 (power); Psalm 8:5 (angels); Psalm 36:6 (great); Proverbs 3:27 (power); Psalm 29:1 (mighty); Ezekiel 32:21 (strong); Jonah 3:3 (exceeding). The point is the King James translators, in all these verses, did not render the word for deity/divinity [EL] as “God” or as “god”, but with terms of might, strength, great, power and might. Likewise, since John is definitely not stating that the Word was the God that the Word was with, the most directly scriptural understanding of John 1:1c should be: “the Word was mighty.”

All of the spirit beings, by “nature” of the superior might given to them by the Almighty are scripturally designated as el or elohim, and thus can be spoken of as divine — mighty — in being. — Psalm 8:5 (compare Hebrews 2:9; also Psalm 50:1 and 96:4 could be speaking of angels as elohim); 45:6,7; Isaiah 9:6,7; John 1:1,2; Acts 2:33; 5:31; Ephesians 1:20,22; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:2-4,8; 1 Peter 1:21; 3:22.

The scriptural conclusion is that since John is definitely not saying that the Word “was” (past tense) the only true God, then he is speaking of THEOS as a quality, that is, of the might, power, the glory that he “was” but was not while he was in the days of his flesh. Whatever is meant by THEOS in John 1:1c expresses what the LOGOS “was” before he became flesh, not while he “was” in the days of his flesh. – Hebrews 5:7

See the studies on John 1:1,2 at:
http://jesus.rlbible.com/?page_id=4871

When Jesus became a man, he no longer had the glory of the celestial, but he became fully a man, crowned with the glory a little lower than the angels. (Hebrews 2:9) As already, shown, while in the days of his flesh, Jesus did not have his former glory. (John 17:5) But he did possess the glory of a human, a glory that he maintained without spot or blemish, since he never sinned, and thus never fell short of the glory of his God and Father. (Romans 3:23) According to the scriptures, all mankind are dying because of Adam’s sin. (1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Romans 5:12-19) Yet Jesus never sinned. Does this mean that Jesus was not a man? Common evidence of the scriptures show that Jesus is not included in the “all” being spoken, since the manner in which he came into this world was not as a result of uniting a man’s sperm with the ovum of a woman. Hebrews 10:5 lets us know that his body was specially prepared by God Himself. He was not of dying race in Adam. (Romans 5:115-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22) Thus, his body was not a dying body, but it was a body having sinless life,  a body with the possibility of living forever, as Adam had before Adam sinned. John, in speaking in the past, while Jesus was flesh, said that: “In him was life.” (John 1:4) Jesus could not give dying flesh for mankind, but he could give living flesh (flesh not under condemnation of death), which he spoke of symbolically as “living bread.” (John 6:51) Jesus, therefore, offering his life, was offering the life that was in him, in his flesh, his human body, for the world of mankind. And having thus never sinned, having proven himself incorruptible before God even under severe sufferings, Jesus brought life and incorruption to light for mankind. (2 Timothy 1:10) He condemned sin in the flesh, proving that a sinless man could remain obedient. (Romans 8:3) In his obedience, he, as a human being, was brought to perfection, to completion, thus putting on incorruption (having proven himself incorruptible), as Adam could have done had Adam remained obedient. By his obedience to the only true God, Jesus thus conquered, and thus, as a human, no death could claim any hold on him. However, Jesus willingly gave up his human soul — his human sentiency — to pay the price for Adam and the dying race in Adam, so that his soul — his sentiency — was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. (1 Peter 3:18)  In receiving his soul back from realm of death, from the Bible hell, Jesus’ soul was no longer with the glory of a physical, terrestrial, earthy, body, but it was then a with the glory of a celestial, spiritual, heavenly body. Jesus, by his taking Adam’s place, has become the “last Adam” — the last father — the human race, so that his is now, not an earthly father, but the “life-giving spirit” from heaven.

Jesus gave himself as human in sacrifice, he did not give himself as THEOS in sacrifice.  The ransom sacrifice of Jesus only buys back what Adam lost. Adam lost sinless life on earth, in a physical, terrestrial body; Adam did not lose life in the heavens. It was only due to his sin, that Adam fell short of the glory of God. Before he sinned, therefore, his flesh did not fall short of that glory. There is nothing at all in the Bible that indicates that life in the heavens was ever offered to Adam. Thus, what Jesus gave to purchase mankind was not a spiritual, a celestial glory, but rather an earthly, fleshly glory. By offering in sacrifice that crown of glory, which is a little lower than the angels, Jesus therefore tasted death for every man. — Hebrews 2:9.

Of course, the name “Jesus” was first applied to Jesus when he became a Man. Before he became a man, Jesus tells us of his existence with the only true God, and that he had a glory at that time which he did not have as a man. Thus he prayed that the glory that he formerly had should be given to him again. (John 17:1,3,5) John speaks of that glory by using the Greek word “theos.” (John 1:1,2) Theos does usually mean “God,” but it does not always mean so. The Hebrews many times used the Hebrew words that are translated into Greek by the word “theos” to mean might, power, strength, etc. Jesus applied this general meaning to theos when he spoke of the sons of God as THEOI, thereby rendering the Hebrew ELOHIM by the Greek word THEOI (a plural of THEOS —  As a man, Jesus had the full glory of man, since he never fell short of that glory due to sin, for in him was no sin. That glory, however, is a glory a little lower than the angels. (Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 2:7) Thus his human crown of glory was never marred with sin, as is true of the descendants of Adam. — Romans 3:23; 5:12-19.

Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. (1 Peter 3:18) If Jesus is still flesh, then he never sacrificed his flesh; thus there has never been any offering made to God for our sins. — John 6:51; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:14; 10:10,12.

Jesus is no longer in the “days of his flesh.” (Hebrews 5:7) He now has a celestial (heavenly), spiritual body, having become the life-giving spirit from heaven. — 1 Corinthians 15:40,44,45,47.

Thus, Jesus never had two different “natures” (glories) at once. Jesus, before he became flesh, did not have the crown of human being, a little lower than the angels, but he did have the a celestial glory alongside the only true God. When he became flesh, he did not have the glory that he formerly had, but he did have the terrestrial glory of a human being, a little lower than the angels. Having sacrificed the glory of being a human being, a little lower than the angels, Jesus now is again with the celestial glory. Jesus never possessed both glories at once, thus the doctrine of Jesus’ having dual natures/beings at once is not in the Bible.

See also:
Jesus’ Prehuman Glory

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24 responses to “Jesus’ Two Glories

  1. Jesus entered the most holy place where his father is enthroned between the cherubim, the ark of the covenant, to apply his blood on the cover of the ark.

    Jesus has and will have forever a unique body unlike any other in all of creation. Jesus has both natures the spirit and human, he has the human from his mother-Mary and the spirit from his heavenly father who begot him.

    So right now in heaven only Jesus has a unique body created by the other one of the only kind, his father who alone is inherently immortal and who can’t die because he is not a creation.

  2. The body that Jesus now has is of the celestial glory, not the terrestrial glory. (1 Corinthians 15:40) While Jesus was in the days of his flesh, Jesus did not have a body with the celestial glory, but rather with the terrestrial glory.

    To claim that Jesus now has both glories (natures?) would be either to deny that Jesus sacrificed his terrestrial glory, or that he took back that sacrifice, thereby nullifying the offering for sin. Jesus’ purpose of his coming in the flesh, was to give that flesh for the life of the world. (Luke 22:19; John 1:29; 4:42; 6:51; 12:47; 1 Corinthians 11:24; Hebrew 10:5,10) To deny that Jesus’ coming as a man, in the flesh (2 John 7), having the sinless glory a little lower than the angels (1 Corinthians 15:40; Hebrews 2:9), would be to deny the atoning sacrifice of Jesus church and for the world. (1 John 2:2; 4:9,10) Likewise, to claim that Jesus still has the glory of the fleshly body would, in effect, deny the purpose of his coming in the flesh.

  3. Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them.{The resurrected Jesus ate with them} 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight{The resurrected Jesus vanished out of their sight like a spirit though he said he was flesh and bones in verse 39}…36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.{The resurrected Jesus appeared unto them out of thin air} 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit{They were in great fear because they thought that they had seen a spirit but they saw Jesus who came in the flesh} …39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.{The resurrected Jesus told them that he was not a spirit but flesh and bones} 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet{Thus, The resurrected Jesus was proving to them that he was flesh and bones by letting them touch him}…42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took [it], and did eat before them.{They gave The resurrected Jesus a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb to eat and he took it and ate before them}.

    John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not hold on to me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”{The resurrected Jesus told Mary to stop holding unto him because he had not yet ascended unto his Father, which proves he was not a spirit being in his resurrected glorified state. When Jesus ascended to his Father in his resurrected flesh and bones body, he entered the holy place and most holy place to cleanse them by his own blood}. Hbr 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]…23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

    Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.{The glorified Jesus in heaven is able to sympathize with our weaknesses because he is flesh and bones in his glorified state and he in every respect has been tempted as we are}.

    1Cr 15:50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.{Flesh and blood of mankind cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because of sin and is corruption. Jesus flesh and blood did not see corruption because the Father gave life unto his dead sinless Son, if the Father would have left Jesus dead he would have corrupted but death could not hold him because he was sinless}. Act 13:33 this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, ‘Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee.’ 34 And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, he spoke in this way, ‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.’ 35 Therefore he says also in another psalm, ‘Thou wilt not let thy Holy One see corruption.’

    Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.{The resurrected Jesus was taken up to heaven in his body of flesh and bones to appear before his father’s dwelling place, and he will return in like manner as he was taken up to heaven} Zec 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.

  4. Luke 24:39 WEB
    See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.

    Jesus had not yet ascended when he made his appearance in the locked room. Jesus did raise his body for that appearance, but his life itself, his soul, was not in that body of flesh and bones (no blood — Leviticus 17:11).

    A phantom spirit does have a body of flesh and bones, as Jesus was able to do.

    Jesus was most definitely not saying that he was not a spirit being, but rather that spirit of the kind that the disciples had thought him to be does not appear having a body of flesh and bones.

    If Jesus is still flesh, then we no ransom sacrifice, all are yet in their sins. However, it is indeed truth that Peter wrote: “Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18) Jesus is no longer “in the days of his flesh.” (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus is no longer a human being, a little lower than the angels. — Hebrews 2:9.

    Regarding Luke 24:39, see:
    Jesus’ Appearances in the Locked Room

    Related to this on John 2:19-22:
    Did Jesus Raise Himself From the Dead?

    Regarding Jesus’ resurrection body, and his sacrifice, see:
    1 Peter 3:18 – Jesus Died a Human Being – Raised a Spirit Being.

  5. John 20:17 – Jesus said to her, “Don’t touch me, for I haven’t yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.'” — World English.

    “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father. But go to my brothers, and tell them that I am going back to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” — Complete Jewish Bible.

    Regarding Jesus’ words at John 20:17, Jesus did not say to Mary that the body he appeared to Mary was his resurrection body. Nevertheless, this was before his ascension, and thus before he had presented his offering to his God and Father in heaven (the Holy Place — Hebrews 9:24), so Jesus could have appeared [Phaino, Strong’s #5316, Mark 16:9; to her in the body that he died with. Nevertheless, when Mary first saw Jesus, she did not recognize him. “When she had said this, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and didn’t know that it was Jesus.” (John 20:14) This indicates that Jesus may not have appeared in the body that he died with, for although she could see Jesus, she did not know that it was Jesus. It was not until he called her by name, that Mary recognized that it was Jesus. Regardless of whether he appeared with the body that he died with, or as another form, that body he died with was not his resurrection body, since Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

    Hebrews 9:24 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, similar in pattern to the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us;

    Hebrews 10:10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the >>>>>body<<<<< of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Jesus is no longer in the days of his flesh, a little lower than the angels. — Hebrews 2:9; 5:7.

    See:
    Is Jesus Still A Little Lower Than the Angels

  6. Hebrews 4:14 Having then a great high priest, who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold tightly to our confession.
    Hebrews 4:15 For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin.

    Jesus, while in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), was indeed tempted in all points like us, and thus, now that he is no longer the days of his flesh, is he still being tempted like us? No, but he certainly has not forgotten his experience while he was in the days of his flesh so that he may feel empathy with us who are flesh. There is nothing in Hebrews 4:14,15 that requires Jesus to still be in the days of his flesh in order to feel such empathy. Jesus’ eternal glory is not the glory of flesh, which glory is a little lower than the angels. (Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 2:7) Indeed, Jesus offered up his glory as a little lower than the angels when he tasted death for us all. — Hebrews 2:9.

    Nor is Jesus now suffering anymore, for he suffered once for our sins. — Hebrews 9:26; 2 Peter 3:18.

  7. Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption. — 1 Corinthians 15:50.

    In 1 Corinthians 15:50, Paul is speaking of those who inherit the kingdom, are more correctly, what will not inherit the kingdom; what we are according our flesh and blood relationships will not get us an inheritance in the kingdom. Being a Jew or Greek, etc., by flesh and blood will not give us the inheritance of the kingdom. (Romans 2:28,29; 9:31; 10:12; 11:17; 1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Galatians 3:28; 4:29,30; 5:21; Colossians 3:11)

    I discussed this in the study:
    The Manner of the Resurrection

    and also:
    1 Peter 3:18 – Jesus Died a Human Being – Raised a Spirit Being

  8. Jesus had not yet ascended when he made his appearance in the locked room….{I agree with you but he was already glorified by his Father when he resurrected his Son Jesus by the power of his Glory}.

    Jesus did raise his body for that appearance,….{ Jesus did not resurrect himself for he was lifeless and dead. Although he did say in one passage that he could raise his temple but he met it was by his Father’s power and not his because he was lifeless and dead}.
    but his life itself, his soul, was not in that body of flesh and bones (no blood — Leviticus 17:11)….{I agree with you that his life was not in him because he was dead and lifeless. According to scripture Jesus lifeless and dead body was given life again by his Father. Jesus dead body of flesh and blood did not see corruption because the Father gave him life, so with his own blood which did not see corruption entered heaven and cleansed all things in his Father’s most holy place and holy place(Hbr 9:12, 23). Jesus went in as a Priest in the holy place and most holy place with his own blood to appear before God for our sins.(Hbr 9:1-26)-}

    A phantom spirit does have a body of flesh and bones, as Jesus was able to do….{Jesus was and has the ability to phase in and out of his two God given natures}.
    Jesus was most definitely not saying that he was not a spirit being, but rather that spirit of the kind that the disciples had thought him to be does not appear having a body of flesh and bones….{According to the account in these passages Jesus has the ability of a spirit being and manifested himself in his human body to his disciples, so Jesus is a glorified man(flesh and blood) that has the ability to do what God’s angels can do and far greater for he is the only Son of God to whom was delegated all power in heaven and earth by his Father}.
    If Jesus is still flesh, then we no ransom sacrifice,…{Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham….If he were a spirit being we would have no ransom sacrifice for he could not entered into heaven’s tent and cleanse it by his own blood}.
    all are yet in their sins. However, it is indeed truth that Peter wrote: “Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18)….{Jesus was made alive in his flesh and blood human body by the power of his Father’s Spirit…Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption…So, Jesus human body did not see corruption(rotten) and return to the dust like did his father-David…Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:}
    Jesus is no longer “in the days of his flesh.” (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus is no longer a human being, a little lower than the angels. — Hebrews 2:9….{Jesus is still a human, he is God’s Son and was raised in his human nature…Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, [now] no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David…So his human body of flesh and blood did not see decay but his human body of flesh and blood was raised from a state of being dead to being alive in his human body of flesh and blood. When Jesus was resurrected in his human body of flesh and blood he was given immortality never to die again}.

  9. Regarding Jesus’ words at John 20:17, Jesus did not say to Mary that the body he appeared to Mary was his resurrection body….{I agree with you, but it was his human body that was resurrected, she did touch and hold Jesus as one would hold unto a human being, we humans can’t hold onto a spirit being}.

    Nevertheless, this was before his ascension, and thus before he had presented his offering to his God and Father in heaven (the Holy Place — Hebrews 9:24), ….{Yes, Jesus had to appear before his Father in his human form to cleanse his Father’s tent, he could not appear like unto the form of an angel, a spirit being, or else, God’s justice would not be fulfilled}.

    so Jesus could have appeared [Phaino, Strong’s #5316, Mark 16:9; to her in the body that he died with….{He did appear unto Mary like the others just out of thin air or like an angel who are spirit beings}.

    Nevertheless, when Mary first saw Jesus, she did not recognize him. “When she had said this, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and didn’t know that it was Jesus.” (John 20:14) This indicates that Jesus may not have appeared in the body that he died with, for although she could see Jesus, she did not know that it was Jesus. It was not until he called her by name, that Mary recognized that it was Jesus….{Jhn 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away….So Mary thought it was the gardener–a human being–and not a spirit being she saw. So she did see Jesus in his human form because on John 20:17–Jesus said…“Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father. But go to my brothers, and tell them that I am going back to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

  10. Regardless of whether he appeared with the body that he died with, or as another form,….{It was definitely his human form}.

    that body he died with was not his resurrection body, since Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit….{It was definitely his human form…Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption…So his human form did not see decay because his heavenly Father did not leave his Son dead and lifeless but resurrected him in the same human body in which he died}.

    Hebrews 9:24 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, similar in pattern to the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us;….{A spirit being does not have blood so a spirit being could have never cleansed God’s tent only Jesus own blood cleansed God’s tent when he went up to heaven}.

    Hebrews 10:10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the >>>>>body<<<<< of Jesus Christ once for all….{ If it were not for Jesus blood that was applied on the cover of the ark, we could have never enter into the most holy place…Hbr 10:19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,…His flesh and blood gained us access to the throne of grace where the Highest is enthroned as king of Eternity between the cherubim, the ark of his covenant, his footstool…Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;}.

  11. Jesus, while in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), was indeed tempted in all points like us, and thus, now that he is no longer the days of his flesh, is he still being tempted like us? No, but he certainly has not forgotten his experience while he was in the days of his flesh so that he may feel empathy with us who are flesh. There is nothing in Hebrews 4:14,15 that requires Jesus to still be in the days of his flesh in order to feel such empathy….{We have an advocate in heaven before the Father, who is Jesus, who Christ in his exaltation at God’s right hand, pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins and by the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. So Jesus is in human form in heaven because it is the blood of Jesus that has power and life and we are forgiven by his living blood, his blood is our life}.

    Jesus’ eternal glory is not the glory of flesh,….{ Zec 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born….Jesus will forever have the print nails on his hands and feet to show us the great price that was paid for our sins…Zec 13:6 And [one] shall say unto him, What [are] these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of my friends.

    which glory is a little lower than the angels. (Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 2:7) Indeed, Jesus offered up his glory as a little lower than the angels when he tasted death for us all. — Hebrews 2:9…..{But he obtained a name and position higher then all other things in his glorified resurrected form though he is not higher then the Highest who gave him that delegated authority above all of his creation in\through whom he created all things, who Jesus created all things by the “will and power of his Father’s word” whom alone is the creator who does all things according to his own will–the only one true source from whom first proceeds all things}.

    Nor is Jesus now suffering anymore, for he suffered once for our sins. — Hebrews 9:26; 2 Peter 3:18….{Jesus died only once for our sins but his blood continues to live on forever, for it was the shedding of his living blood that we are forgiven and cleansed as is the heavenly tent cleansed by his own living blood}.

  12. In 1 Corinthians 15:50, Paul is speaking of those who inherit the kingdom, are more correctly, what will not inherit the kingdom; what we are according our flesh and blood relationships will not get us an inheritance in the kingdom. Being a Jew or Greek, etc., by flesh and blood will not give us the inheritance of the kingdom. (Romans 2:28,29; 9:31; 10:12; 11:17; 1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Galatians 3:28; 4:29,30; 5:21; Colossians 3:11)….{Only Jesus flesh and blood will get us into God’s kingdom, for at his appearing at the last day which is the resurrection day will our bodies be changed and fashioned like unto his glorious body which according to scripture is a glorified human body which body we are. For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.–Eph 5:30 …Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.–Phl 3:21 …Our human life and body will be in a perpetual glorified state like Jesus glorified human life and body which will never see corruption because the heavenly Father has given it immortality never to die again. And we too our mortal-corrupt bodies will put on immortality-incorruption that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body whom he did eat when he appeared out of thin air unto his disciples in the locked room. And when Jesus appears and returns for his bride, his church, we and Jesus in our resurrected glorified bodies will eat and drink in his kingdom which proves that Jesus was resurrected in his human form and not in a spirit form…Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide [it] among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you…This passages are reconciled with<<>>Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them…35 And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread…41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took [it], and did eat before them…So we will eat and drink again in his Father’s kingdom when he returns for his bride…Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.<<<>>>Luk 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed [is] he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God..read all through…24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper…Are you ready? there is still room, and the King is waiting for his supper room to be filled in his Father’s house. Many will not accept his invitation and shall not taste of his supper in his Father’s kingdom….Scripture interprets Scripture….Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,…Read all through…14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen…Many are not worthy because they have been invited and don’t accept God’s truth nor do they accept his Son’s wedding garment to go into his kingdom and eat and drink in his wedding supper. And in that day will the glorious marriage be consummated between Christ and his bride they will finally be one in flesh and blood at the last day when he comes for his bride prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. A bride not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish, that he might present it to himself a glorious church.

  13. Jayant Christian

    What does the phrase “the Son of God ‘” mean? what does the Hebrew usage indicate? How did the contemporary Jews in the time of Jesus understood by that phrase?

    How does John in his Gospel spells out that Jesus is the son of God?

  14. “The Son of God ‘” Means he was fathered by the Highest. He is the Messiah , God’s Anointed One. The hope of the nation of Israel and the desire of all nations. He rules by God’s delegated authority, he has been given all power in all of God’s creation. Father God who does all things according to his own will in heaven and earth, is bringing about his eternal purpose in the Anointed One Jesus. He is Anointed with God’s eternal Spirit and empowered to do his Father’s will of his word which will be unto the extension of his Father’s eternal purpose meaning forever without end.

  15. I evidently overlooked these comments and just noticed them tonight.

    Jesus had not yet ascended when he made his appearance in the locked room….{I agree with you but he was already glorified by his Father when he resurrected his Son Jesus by the power of his Glory}.

    Yes, Jesus was put to death in the flesh and made alive in the spirit; Jesus already received the glory of a spiritual body when his God and Father raised him from death. He was no longer with the terrestrial glory.

    See the studies:
    Jesus Died a Human Being — Raised a Spirit Being

    With What Kind of Body Will We Be Raised?
    The Manner of the Resurrection

    Jesus did raise his body for that appearance,….{ Jesus did not resurrect himself for he was lifeless and dead; thus he needed someone else to raise him up out of the death condition. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10) Although he did say in one passage that he could raise his temple but he met it was by his Father’s power and not his because he was lifeless and dead}.

    Precisely; Jesus did not resurrect himself out of the death condition; it was his God and Father who raised him from death. Nevertheless, after God raised Jesus out of death, Jesus could then raise, bring up, his body for the appearances in the locked room from whatever or wherever that body was being kept. Being a spirit being, however, he, manifested that body without entering the room through any door, for the door was locked. See the studies:

    Jesus’ Appearances in the Locked Room
    Did Jesus Raise Himself From the Dead?

    but his life itself, his soul, was not in that body of flesh and bones (no blood — Leviticus 17:11)….{I agree with you that his life was not in him because he was dead and lifeless. According to scripture Jesus lifeless and dead body was given life again by his Father. Jesus dead body of flesh and blood did not see corruption because the Father gave him life, so with his own blood which did not see corruption entered heaven and cleansed all things in his Father’s most holy place and holy place(Hbr 9:12, 23). Jesus went in as a Priest in the holy place and most holy place with his own blood to appear before God for our sins.(Hbr 9:1-26)-}

    I did not say that Jesus’ life was not in him when he appeared in the locked room; what I said is that Jesus’ life was not in that body that he raised, brought up, for the appearances in the locked room. Jesus was indeed very much alive as a spirit being after his God and Father raised him from death; he most certainly was not dead and lifeless when he appeared to his disciples in the locked room. His God and Father had indeed brought him back to life, but not as a human being, but as a spirit being. Yes Jesus did ascend into heaven and present his body and his blood to his God as an offering for sin. Praise Yah!

    See the section on what Jesus sacrificed in the study:
    Jesus Died a Human Being – Raised a Spirit Being

  16. Jesus dead body of flesh and blood did not see corruption because the Father gave him life, so with his own blood which did not see corruption entered heaven and cleansed all things in his Father’s most holy place and holy place(Hbr 9:12, 23). Jesus went in as a Priest in the holy place and most holy place with his own blood to appear before God for our sins.(Hbr 9:1-26)-}

    Yes, Jesus’ body of flesh did not see decay, but Jesus was not raise with that fleshly body, for he was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. In whatever way Jesus was put to death in the flesh, in the same manner he was made alive in the spirit. Jesus purpose in dying in the flesh was to offer that flesh in sacrifice for the life of the world. He presented that offering after he ascended. Thus, the body of Jesus was kept from decaying for the purpose of that offering, not because Jesus took back the offering, for if he did, then the offsetting price for the wages of sin was taken, back and thus Jesus’ death has not released us from the condemnation in Adam.

    He gave his humanity — including his body of flesh — as an offsetting price, which sacrifice he formally presented as priest after his ascension. – – Hebrews 8:4; 9:24-26; 10:10.

    Jesus gave his blood in sacrifice. He did not take back that sacrifice.

    Matthew 26:28 – for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

    Mark 14:24 – He said to them, “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many.

    Luke 22:20 – He took the cup in like manner after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, that which is poured out for you.

    Acts 20:28 – Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son. – Revised Standard Version.

    Romans 5:9 – Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God’s wrath through him.

    Ephesians 1:7 – in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.

    However, what does blood represent? Jesus’ human soul — his human sentiency — which he also gave in sacrifice. Jesus did not take back that sacrifice.

    Leviticus 17:11 – For the life [Hebrew, nephesh – soul] of the flesh is in the blood.

    Deuteronomy 12:23 – The blood is the life [Hebrew, nephesh – soul].

    The human soul consists of the body made from the dust of the ground and the neshamah, activated by spirit of life as received from God. — Genesis 2:7.

    Yes, Jesus did sacrifice his human body, and he did not take back that sacrifice:

    Hebrews 10:10 by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
    Hebrews 10:11 Every priest indeed stands day by day ministering and often offering the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins,
    Hebrews 10:12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    Hebrews 10:13 henceforth expecting until his enemies to be made the footstool of his feet.
    Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are sanctified.

    Luke 22:19 He took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and gave to them, saying, “This is *my body which is given [as an offering in sacrifice to God – Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:14] for you*. Do this in memory of me.”

    Jesus sacrificed his flesh, and he did not take back that sacrifce:

    John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.

    Jesus died; he was totally dead, ceased to be sentient, else there has been no ransom. His body was given in sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:10; Luke 22:19) Jesus’ soul — his sentiency — was given in sacrifice (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and went into sheol, where there is no work, device, knowledge or wisdom, and wherein one cannot give thanks to, or praise to, Yahweh. (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18) Jesus’ human blood — which represents his human soul/being (Leviticus 17:11; Deuteronomy 12:23) — was given in sacrifice. (Mark 14:24; Acts 20:28; Hebrews 9:14) Thus his soul — his being — as raised, made alive, from the oblivious condition of sheol was no longer human, but spirit.

  17. {Jesus was and has the ability to phase in and out of his two God given natures}.

    This appears to be relying on the alleged “dual natures” often attributed to Jesus, that is, that Jesus is alleged to have the nature of the Most High and the nature of a man at the same time. Nevertheless, what Greek word is being used to represent “nature” and where do we find it in the scriptures, especially as related to two natures with Jesus having the ability to phase in and out of?

    Nonetheless, the word that I can find in the Bible that comes the closest to the word “nature” as that word is often used traditionally by trinitarians and others are the Greek words Soma (transliterated) and Doxs (transliterated) as Paul used those words in 1 Corinthians 15:35-49. Paul speaks of two basic kinds of glories: the celestial and terrestrial, but he does not confuse the two. He never says that one can phase in and out the two glories at will. He goes on to associate the terrestrial glory with a physical resurrection body, and the celestial glory with a spiritual resurrection body. Jesus did indeed have the glory of a terrestrial body while he was in the days of his flesh, but he offered that glory up in sacrifice in order to taste death for all. (Hebrews 2:9) The days of his flesh are past, and Jesus no longer has the terrestrial glory a little lower than the angels. Nevertheless, until he offered that body to his God after he ascended, it is evident that he had access to that body, and could appear with that body. — Hebrews 9:24,26; 10:10.

    As already pointed out, while Jesus was in the days of his flesh, he did not have the celestial glory that he had with his God and Father before the world of mankind was made, for why would be praying to have the glory returned, if he had it while in the days of his flesh? — John 17:5.

    Nothing at all in the scripture give any indication that Jesus ever possesed or possesses the glory of the celestial body and the glory of the terrestrial body at the same time.

    However, after his God and Father raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus could certainly access his former body for the appearances (manifestations) in the locked room. This does not mean that he was phasing in and out between two alleged dual natures that he was supposed to have had at the same time.

    {According to the account in these passages Jesus has the ability of a spirit being and manifested himself in his human body to his disciples

    This I have no objection to; it is about the same as I said.

    so Jesus is a glorified man(flesh and blood) that has the ability to do what God’s angels can do and far greater for he is the only Son of God to whom was delegated all power in heaven and earth by his Father}.

    This I disagree with. It does not follow that because Jesus as a spirit being manifested himself with his former “flesh and bones” that he is a “glorified man” (assuming this to mean that he is presently a glorified human being, a human soul, which in effect, would make that “glorified man” having the terrestrial glory a little lower than the angels). Jesus had the glory of a glorified man while in the days of his flesh, but he is no longer in the days of his flesh; he is no longer with the glory of a man, which glory is a little lower than the angels. — Hebrews 1:4; 2:9; 1 Peter 3:22.

    Additionally, if one applies to the angels the assumption that the ability to manifest oneself in human form means that such a one is a “glorified man”, it would mean that since the angels could manifest themselves as “men”, the angels are also “glorified men.”

    See the study:
    With What Kind of Body Will We Be Raised?

    Nevertheless, the crown of glory given to mankind is a glory a little less than the angels, which glory Adam had in its fullness before he sinned, but which he fell short of after he sinned. — Psalm 8:5; Romans 3:23; 5:12.

    Yes, the only true God has given to Jesus all power over all things with the evident exception of that of the Most High who has given that power and authority to Jesus. — 1 Corinthians 15:27.

  18. Hbr 9:11 But Messiah having come as a Kohen Gadol of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation, 12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption.

    Hbr 9:23 It was necessary therefore that the copies of the things in the heavens should be cleansed with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Messiah hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

    Rev 11:19 God’s temple that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of the Lord’s covenant was seen in his temple. Lightnings, sounds, thunders, an earthquake, and great hail followed.

    Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

    Hbr 10:12 but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    Hbr 1:3 His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself made purification for our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Hbr 10:19 Having therefore, brothers, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Yeshua, 20 by the way which he dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 and having a great Kohen over the house of God,

    Hbr 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them: ‘After those days,’ says the Lord, ‘I will put my laws on their heart, I will also write them on their mind;'” then he says,

    Mat 26:28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I tell you that I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on, until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

    Luk 24:30 It happened, that when he had sat down at the table with them, he took the bread and gave thanks. Breaking it, he gave to them. 31 Their eyes were opened, and they recognized him, and he vanished out of their sight.

    Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.” 40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. :41 While they still didn’t believe for joy, and wondered, he said to them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.

    Hbr 13:20 Now may the God of shalom, who brought again from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant, our Lord Yeshua,

    Rev 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.

    Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a garment sprinkled with blood. His name is called “The Word of God.”

  19. Act 1:11 who also said, “You men of the Galil, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Yeshua, who was received up from you into the sky will come back in the same way as you saw him going into the sky…”His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, which is before Yerushalayim on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west, making a very great valley. Half of the mountain will move toward the north, and half of it toward the south-Zec 14:4

    Zec 12:10 I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Yerushalayim, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they will look to me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and will grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for his firstborn…”One will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends-Zec 13:6.

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