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John 10:30 – The Son is One With His Father

John 10:30 – I and my Father are one.

Jesus and the only true God, whom Jesus was with before the world (kosmos) of mankind was made (John 1:1,10; 17:1,3,5), are ‘one.’ Jesus was not saying that he and the only true God whom he was with are one only true God.

In the Greek, the Greek form that Jesus used for the adjective “one” is transliterated as “hen” [which is neuter]. If Jesus had meant that he and the only true God whom he had been with are “one God,” he would not have used the Greek form “hen”, but he would have used the Greek form “heis” (masculine), as Paul does in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Since the Greek word Theos is masculine, it requires the masculine form of the adjective, not the neuter form. Nor is speaking of substance, as trinitarians use that term, “three persons in one being.” If Jesus was talking about “one being,” he would not have used the Greek form “hen”, but rather he would have used the Greek form, “mia,” as in the trinitarian statement: treis hypostaseis en mia ousia (three persons in one being). Since “ousia” is feminine, it requires the feminine form of the adjective, not the neuter form. Thus, when Jesus said that he and the only true God are “one”, he was neither speaking of “one God” nor “one substance.”

Nevertheless, we find further in the book of John where Jesus uses the Greek form “hen” several times:

Jesus prays for his followers to be one [hen], just as he is with his God and Father. — John 17:11.

Jesus prays that his followers may all be one [hen], just as he is one with his God and Father. — John 17:21.

Jesus prays that his followers may be one [hen] in himself and his Father, just as he is with his God and Father. — John 17:21.

Jesus prays that his followers may one [hen], just as he is one with his God and Father. — John 17:22.

It should be obvious that Jesus was not praying that his followers become one “God” with him and his Father, nor is he praying that they become “one substance” with him and his Father. He is speaking in terms of unity, agreement. Likewise, when Jesus said that he and the only true God (John 17:1,3) are one, he is speaking of agreement. There is nothing in John 10:30 that means that Jesus was claiming to be the only true God.

For more regarding John 10:30, see:
Studies Pertaining to John 10:33

Regarding John 10:33, see:
The Real Reason the Jews Sought to Kill Jesus

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The Son of God Was Either God or a Bad Man? – Is Jesus God the Most High?

It is being claimed that the divinity of Christ is the central Christian doctrine, and that this doctrine is “like a skeleton key that opens all the others.” By divinity, the context makes it clear that the author means that Jesus is the Most High Yahweh. We do not deny the divinity of Jesus in that mightiness that the only Most High has given to Jesus. We do not, however, believe that the divinity, the mightiness, that the only Most High has given to Jesus means that Jesus is the Most High who has given to Jesus all authority and power. Indeed, rather than being a key that opens all other doctrines, this doctrine that Jesus is the Most High denigrates the role Jesus had in becoming a man. If Jesus was the Most High while in the days of his flesh, then rather than condemning sin in the flesh, Jesus justified sin in the flesh, since such an idea would have meant that for Adam to have obeyed the Most High, Adam would have needed to have been the Most High in the flesh. — Romans 8:3

See the studies:
How God’s Son Condemned Sin in the Flesh

Hebraic Usage of the Titles for “God”

Additionally, those who claim that Jesus is the Most High usually add to this that Jesus is still in the flesh, that Jesus will always be bound to his body of flesh for eternity. Such denies the very basis of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus as given in the Bible. It would mean that either Jesus fail to complete his sacrifice, or that he took back what he had offered for sin. Either way, such would annul the basis of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus.

See the studies:

Jesus Died a Human Being – Raised a Spirit Being
The Basis of Atonement

Jesus never claimed to the “God”, that is, Jesus never claimed to be the One whom he designated as the only true God.  Rather, Jesus claimed to have been sent by the only true God, the only true Might of the universe. (John 17:3) Jesus never once claimed to be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, thus the idea that “Christ was either God or a Bad Man” is irrelevant. Indeed, if Jesus in the flesh was his God, then the whole basis of the redemption by means of his sacrifice becomes irrelevant. No, Jesus was not his God, but this does not at all make Jesus a “bad man”. Such an argument is simply sophistry.

It was a man — not God — who sinned and brought condemnation upon mankind. All that was needed to rectify the condition of sin was another man — not God — who would obey God. If that man had to be God in order obey God, then such would not condemn sin in the flesh. It would not proven that a righteous man could obey God perfectly. It would rather have proven that a righteous man would have to be God Himself in order to obey God.

The Bible nowhere says that for a man to be the offering for sin that such man would have to be his God. That idea comes, not from the Bible, but out of the imagination of men whose minds cannot fully submit the revealing of ths spirit as given through the Bible. By going beyond what is written, these men have submitted themselves to an idol of their own making (evidently aided by Satan) and wish make it a requirement of all that they must submit to their imaginations for salvation, thus displacing the salvation that is revealed by God’s holy spirit in the Bible.

See:

Jesus is not Yahweh (Jehovah)

The Bible reveals that what is needed for salvation is not God, but a man, one a little lower than the angels as was Adam. God Himself provided such a man through His son (not Himself), for he sent his son into the world of mankind in the flesh; God gave Jesus that flesh, that body (Hebrews 10:5), so that he — having become a man, nothing more, nothing less — was not under the condemnation through Adam. Unlike Adam, however, Jesus never once disobeyed the Most High; he proved his faithfulness and thus showed his Father to have been just, while providing the way for his Father to justify mankind. — John 6:51; Romans 3:26; 5:12-19; 8:3,19-21; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Hebrews 10:10.

All the abilities that Jesus had, he received from the only true God, all to the glory of the only true Most High. None of Jesus’ miracles or abilities that God gave to Jesus give us any reason to use the spirit of human imagination so as to assume and add to the scriptures that the Son of God is “God” of  whom he claimed to be the son. — Luke 1:32; 10:22; 3:35; Matthew 28:19; John 13:3; Acts 2:22,36; 3:13; 1 Corinthians 15:27;  Ephesians 1:20-22; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:2.

John 1:51 does not describe Jesus as “God”, but as the son of the man (David), and “God” is depicted in that scripture as one person, totally and separately distinct from the son of David.

As far as repelling the attacks of those who claim that Jesus was a bad man, a liar, a lunatic, etc, such as agnostics, deists, Muslims and other non-Christian religions, one does not need to add to the scriptures that Jesus was the Most High in order to counter the claims of such. Indeed, adding such to scriptures diminishes the role of Jesus as having been obedient to the Most High, of the salvation provided through the offering of the body of Christ to the Most High.

Jesus is not the God Most High; no scripture ever presents Jesus as being Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, although many read such a thought into many scriptures.

1 John 5:7 – Biblical Oneness Vs. Trinitarian Dogma

1 John 5:6
This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood.
1 John 5:7
It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
1 John 5:8
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one. — World English translation

In the KJV, based on the so-called “Textus Receptus”, 1 John 5:7 reads:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Most translations leave out the phrase “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” This is because these words are not found in the earlier Greek manuscripts, and more than likely were added later.

At any rate, even as it is given in the Textus Receptus, there is nothing there about three persons in one God (theos), or three persons in one being (ousia). The Greek word for “one” in 1 John 5:7 of the Textus Receptus is the word that is usually transliterated as “hen”. It is neuter, and thus would call for a neuter designation in reference to what the three are being spoken of as “one”. For the designation to have been one as in “one God”, the Greek would call for the Greek word masculine “heis”, not the neuter “hen”. This is shown in 1 Corinthians 8:6, where the Greek has “heis theos” (one God). Likewise, if the thought should be one being, then the Greek would call for the Greek word “mia”, not the Greek word “hen”. This is shown in the trinitarian phrases, “”treis hypostaseis en mia ousia”, (“three persons in one substance”), or “mia ousia, treis hypostaseis” (“One essence in three persons”).

The neuter designation is also indicated on 1 John 5:8, which reads in the King James Version:

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one (Greek, hen).

Thus the oneness being spoken of is a oneness of “agreement,” not of being “one God”, or of “one being”.

This is the same kind of oneness that Jesus prayed for his followers to have with himself and his God:

that they may be one, even as we are. — John 17:11.

that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us. — John 17:21.

Nor does the latter scripture say, as some would seem to want it to say: “that they may all be one; but not as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, and not that they also may be one in us.” Jesus is most definitely praying for the same manner of oneness that he has with his God and Father (John 10:30) be extended to include his followers. If Jesus’ oneness with his God and Father means that Jesus is one God with his God (self-contradiction), then Jesus would actually have been praying for his followers to become one God with his Father.

Thus, 1 John 5:7, even as it reads in the Textus Receptus, says nothing about three persons in one God. Like all other scriptures presented to allegedly support the doctrine of the trinity, the trinitarian idea has to be assumed, added to, and read into what is stated. Even as it appears in the Textus Receptus, there is no reference at all to the trinity dogma.

See also:

Mark 14:61-63 – Jesus’ Claim to be the Messiah

This is Part 3 in response to:

Blog of the Good Shepherd’s Question and Answer: The Trinity

The assertion is made that Jesus claimed to be God. If Jesus had so claimed, then it would mean, in effect, that Jesus was claiming to be his God who sent Jesus.

This claim is alleged to have support from Jesus’ words recorded at Mark 14:61-63:

Mark 14:61 – But he was silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Mark 14:62 – And Jesus said, “I am; and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:63 – And the high priest tore his garments, and said, “Why do we still need witnesses? — Revised Standard Version.

The question was asked of Jesus if he was the Messiah, the Anointed One of Yahweh, the Son of the Yahweh; the high priest did not ask Jesus if the he was the anointer of Messiah.  Jesus responded that he  was indeed the anointed one of Yahweh, and that the time was to come when they would see the Son of the Man (the son of the man David) seated at the right hand of Yahweh (Dunamis – Power – has evidently been substituted here for the holy name).  Jesus answered this by referring to Psalm 110:1, where we read:

Yahweh says to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.”

It should be very obvious that Jesus was claiming to be, not Yahweh, but the one who was to sit at the right hand of Yahweh.

Nor by saying “I am” was Jesus proclaiming himself to be Yahweh. In answer the question, he was saying “I am” the messiah, the one anointed by Yahweh. In the prophetic statement of Isaiah 61:1, Jesus is depicted as saying “Yahweh has anointed me,” that is, “Yahweh is the One who has made me Christ, Messiah.”  This was all that Jesus was affirming when he said “I am”. — See also Psalm 45:7; Acts 2:36; 4:27; 10:38; Hebrews 1:9.

What we do not find at all anything that even implies that Jesus was claiming to the only true God whom he claimed had sent him. — John 17:1,3.

The high priest, believing that Jesus as a sinner making himself out to be the promised one was thus so angry at that he tore is garments, and proclaimed Jesus guilty of blasphemy. Not one word is said in any of the verses about Jesus’ allegedly claiming to his God. Such a thought has to be assumed, added to, and read into what Jesus said.

Nor is there anything special about Jesus’ saying “I am” in answering the affirmative to question that there is for me or you or anyone else who might do the same.  If someone asks Joe, who is a plumber, if he is a plumber, and he answers by saying “I am,” Joe is not saying that he is Yahweh.

For more information on Jesus’ “I am” statements, see:

http://godandson.reslight.net/i-am.html


http://reslight.net/forum/index.php/topic,304.0.html

Philippians 3:20,21 and Jesus’ Ability

Philippians 3:20 – For our citizenship is in heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord, Jesus Christ;
Philippians 3:21 – who will change the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working whereby he is able even to subject all things to himself.

Some trinitarians point to Philippians 3:20,21 as an alleged proof that Jesus is omnipotent, and claim thus that Jesus the Most High Yahweh Himself. Evidently, the thought that these trinitarians would wish for us to add to and read into what is stated is that since Jesus is able to subject all things to himself, then Jesus is omnipotent.

Actually, there is nothing here that says that Jesus is the Amighty Yahweh, or that Jesus is the source of his own power. Yahweh has certainly subjected all things to Jesus, but the power of being the Most High is not given to Jesus, since the Most High is the One who subjects all things to Jesus. — 1 Corinthians 15:27.

The fact that all the power that Jesus possesses is given to him shows that Jesus is not the source of his own power, and that he is not the Almighty. — Deuteronomy 18:18; Isaiah 11:2,3; 61:1-3; Matthew 11:27; 28:18; John 3:34,35; 5:30;  6:38; 8:42; 12:49;  13:3; 14:10; Acts 4:27; 10:38; Ephesians 1:20-22; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:9; 1 Peter 3:22.

Additionally, if the fact that Jesus received his power and authority from another should mean that Jesus is omnipotent, then it would also indicate that before Jesus received his power he was not omnipotent, which would lead one to wonder how such could be, since omnipotence implies the source of all power. And, notice, the scripture does speak of a process of subjecting all things to Jesus, which also indicates that Jesus is not the Most High, since the Most High does not have any need of receiving authority or power to subject all things to Himself, since he is innately the “possessor of heaven and earth”.  — Genesis 14:22; Isaiah 40:22.

Furthermore, the scriptures show that the source of the power that brings about the subjection of all things under the feet of Jesus is Yahweh (Jehovah), the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Exodus 3:14,15; Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 10:12,13), who is also the only true God who sent Jesus (Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 17:1,3; Acts 3:13; Hebrews 1:1,2), and who is also the God and Father of Jesus.  — 2 Corinthians 11:31; Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3.

No, nothing in any of these scriptures mean that Jesus is the Most High, or that Jesus is the source of his own power and authority.